{"id":4272,"date":"2013-06-17T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2013-06-17T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bestbassgear.com\/ebass\/?p=4272"},"modified":"2018-03-25T14:11:31","modified_gmt":"2018-03-25T19:11:31","slug":"demystifying-fender-neck-sizes-based-on-letter-designations","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bestbassgear.com\/ebass\/article\/demystifying-fender-neck-sizes-based-on-letter-designations.html","title":{"rendered":"Demystifying Fender Neck Sizes Based On Letter Designations"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Although bass guitar necks can be built to any number of different sizes and shapes, more often than not a player does take the letter designation of the neck into consideration when shopping (especially if buying online unplayed).<\/p>\n<p>Letter designations for bass guitar necks is more or less &#8220;a Fender thing&#8221;, and because Fender terminology is so pervasive in bass builds, Fender&#8217;s letter designations are used even for bass guitars they don&#8217;t even make. In addition, those same letter designations are often used by luthiers to describe a neck&#8217;s feel to someone who hasn&#8217;t actually played the instrument yet.<\/p>\n<p>Where it gets <em>really<\/em> confusing however is that a letter designation can refer to the neck shape OR the nut width.<\/p>\n<p>The modern Fender American Standard Precision Bass is a guitar with a B neck with a Modern C neck shape, with B referring to nut width, and Modern C referring to the curve shape of the back of the neck.<\/p>\n<p>Nut widths either either A, B, C or D.<\/p>\n<p><strong>A<\/strong> &#8211; 1 1\/2-inch<br \/>\n<strong>B<\/strong> &#8211; 1 5\/8-inch<br \/>\n<strong>C<\/strong> &#8211; 1 3\/4-inch<br \/>\n<strong>D<\/strong> &#8211; 1 7\/8-inch<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;and these were the original letter designations for Fender necks well before the whole neck-shape-by-letter thing came into being.<\/p>\n<p>Fender neck shapes can be C, U, or V, and these letters literally refer to how the back of the neck is not only shaped but also <em>how it looks<\/em>. This means a C does have a shape similar to that of a letter C, a V actually looks like a letter V on the back, and so on.<\/p>\n<p><strong>U<\/strong> &#8211; Early 1950s or 1970s shape<br \/>\n<strong>Soft V<\/strong> &#8211; Early 1950s<br \/>\n<strong>Hard V or just V<\/strong> &#8211; Mid-1950s shape<br \/>\n<strong>C<\/strong> &#8211; Late-50s oval shape<br \/>\n<strong>Modern C<\/strong> &#8211; Modern flat oval shape<\/p>\n<p><em>(Tip: Looking for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bestbassgear.com\/tuning-machines.htm\">tuners that will fit your Fender neck<\/a>?)<\/em><\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s a common mistake that some players state all C-shapes are the same. Not true. Old-style C is much different compared to the flatter Modern C.<\/p>\n<p>When a player, luthier or builder says that a neck &#8220;feels like a baseball bat&#8221; concerning Fender shapes, he is referring to the old-style C or the U. Probably the U.<\/p>\n<p>The chunkiest neck shape is without question the U. You play one of those, and oh yes, you&#8217;re holding a whole lot of wood &#8211; literally.<\/p>\n<p>IMPORTANT NOTE: The terminology Fender currently uses for the larger old-style C is literally called &#8220;Large C&#8221;, such as on the American Vintage &#8217;58 Precision. You will know a Large C when you pick one up, because as said above, it&#8217;s chunky.<\/p>\n<h3>Does neck shape totally dictate how a neck feels?<\/h3>\n<p>No. Fingerboard radius and fret wire size also count for a great deal.<\/p>\n<p>A &#8216;true vintage&#8217; build would probably be a Soft V shape with a 7.25-inch fingerboard radius and tall\/skinny frets, meaning a super-round fingerboard with frets that no matter how well-done by the luthier will buzz all over the place because, well, that&#8217;s what tall\/skinny vintage-style frets do.<\/p>\n<p>In addition, the older 7.25-inch radius can in fact &#8220;fret out&#8221; when doing bends of at least one semitone. Again, there&#8217;s nothing <em>wrong<\/em> with the neck when that happens even when properly set up as it&#8217;s just the nature of what vintage-spec is like.<\/p>\n<h3>Are the letter designations for neck shapes above a complete list?<\/h3>\n<p>Nope.<\/p>\n<p>What I did is listed the most commonly known shapes.<\/p>\n<p>For example, there is the lesser-known &#8220;Medium V&#8221; shape. Not exactly a Hard V and not exactly a Soft, but right in the middle.<\/p>\n<p>You&#8217;ve obviously heard some players say something to the effect of, &#8220;Only a real &#8217;63 feels like a &#8217;63!&#8221; Well, there&#8217;s more truth to that than you realize, because it could very well be that in &#8217;63, Fender decided to use a Medium V profile&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;and this can be hell for a luthier trying to recreate that shape if he doesn&#8217;t have an actual &#8217;63 for a frame of reference.<\/p>\n<p>For example, if it were the case where a luthier was trying to recreate the exact feel of a &#8217;63 Fender neck with a Medium V profile but didn&#8217;t have the original item for reference, he would take his best guess that the neck shape would either be a Soft or a Hard V, which of course doesn&#8217;t hit the mark of what a Medium V is supposed to feel like. The instrument would be well-built, but it &#8220;wouldn&#8217;t feel right&#8221; because the profile is off just a tad.<\/p>\n<p>And yes, learned players that know their Fender vintage necks can feel the subtle difference between a Soft V and a Medium V.<\/p>\n<h3>Should you call nut width size by its proper letter designation?<\/h3>\n<p>Better luthiers know the old-style letter designations for Fender nut widths. But if you tried using the same terminology with your bass player friends or salespeople at the guitar store, you&#8217;ll most likely get the deer-in-the-headlights look. In fact, some people might even think you&#8217;re just making it up because it&#8217;s so rarely used these days.<\/p>\n<p>In other words, when you say &#8220;C&#8221;, the assumption is that you&#8217;re talking about the neck shape and not the nut width, so&#8230; best to stick to that. \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Letter designation in reference to nut width is usually best used when speaking of vintage Fender guitars, because more often than not, that&#8217;s where it&#8217;s discussed most.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Although bass guitar necks can be built to any number of different sizes and shapes, more often than not a player does take the letter designation of the neck into consideration when shopping (especially if buying online unplayed). 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